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Fril Estelin · Apr 14, 2009, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Awesome Martin. Hope you're doing ok at Anet.

Guys, remember the thread "Martin was fired from NCsoft Europe" and then "he's back again, at Anet". Everyone can now appreciate him, if not done already!

t00115577 · Apr 14, 2009, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Completely stupid system, how can SuKa be banned when for example Shat is actually a curse word, just in past tense.

Empress Amarox · Apr 14, 2009, 06:08 PM // 18:08

*shrug*.. Maybe Shat'll get banned. They kinda deserve it, name policy-wise. It does have 2 vulgar words, one of which is a common English vernacular which is known to be vulgar even.

exploiter · Apr 14, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Oh i love it - Anet created so many NPC names that are much more offensive than some random guild tag and they are not changed, while the guild got banned

DarkNecrid · Apr 14, 2009, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

*shrug*.. Maybe Shat'll get banned. They kinda deserve it, name policy-wise. It does have 2 vulgar words, one of which is a common English vernacular which is known to be vulgar even.

I'm not Finnish or anything, but I believe Seppo is a male's name and Hovi is "court".

Gforce · Apr 14, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I'm happy our guild is unbanned. Changing the tag to ban also removes the offense from the name, so I'm ok with that. I do hope that anet will look at ways to prevent this from happening in the future.

Funny, I was just browsing through page 2 again and it seems someone deleted his post.... Hehe

Tullzinski · Apr 14, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Gforce

Just responding to the above things now..

I dont think sending a report ticket will work. According to the current policy we deserve to be banned. By making a thread here I hope anet will realize that the policy is flawed regarding foreign offensive words.

You should send a ticket is for this person abusing the reporting system for strictly vengence. If he/she has posted elsewhere that his purpose was to grief the guild (right or wrong) and he has posted publically that this was his/her purpose then you would merely pointing out abuse of the reporting system as outlined below. Even if ANET agreed with violation the fact that he/she has posted that it was really to inflict harm on the guild is reason enough to report his/her lame ass.

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

You may use the Guild Wars Report System within the game to alert the company to in-game issues such as inappropriate behavior, offensive names, the perceived use of a "bot", or other misconduct, as specified in the Dishonorable Conduct System. You may not use the Guild Wars Report System to inflict harm upon or harass another player, to submit false reports, or to cause undue load on our servers. Individuals who abuse the reporting function will be investigated and will face possible account suspension or account termination.

RotteN · Apr 14, 2009, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

You should send a ticket is for this person abusing the reporting system for strictly vengence.

I contacted Gaile Gray about this issue, and i hope she'll take steps to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

Proff · Apr 14, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

You may use the Guild Wars Report System within the game to alert the company to in-game issues such as inappropriate behavior, offensive names, the perceived use of a "bot", or other misconduct, as specified in the Dishonorable Conduct System. You may not use the Guild Wars Report System to inflict harm upon or harass another player, to submit false reports, or to cause undue load on our servers. Individuals who abuse the reporting function will be investigated and will face possible account suspension or account termination.

Suka means bitch in Ukrainian, Russian, Polish and I'm sure many other Slavic languages, the person is not harassing the guild or inflicting unnecessary harm onto the guild. It is not a false report nor is it a form of abuse, if the reporting system is based on rules and guidelines, and the offense is clear I don't see how it matters how the player felt about the guild.

If it's an offensive name, ban them or force them to change the name simple as that. I'm sure anet had their reasons for banning the guild, and I'm sure this os just the OP's simple cry for attention.

QQless....

Tullzinski · Apr 14, 2009, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by RotteN

I contacted Gaile Gray about this issue, and i hope she'll take steps to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

Me too clearly a violation. I hope this person gets what they deserve.

RotteN · Apr 14, 2009, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Proff

I'm sure anet had their reasons for banning the guild, and I'm sure this os just the OP's simple cry for attention.

I'm pretty sure you're right there sir (or not, considering we're already unbanned by Martin).
Try and read a bit through the thread before you jump on the "oh QQ less"-bandwagon.

The point of this thread isn't to complain about that ban (we've been banned before, and reformed, and we're still alive). It is about the policy in general, and the fact that one person with a (weak) reason can get an entire guild banned. That is not supposed to happen, and I'm sure you can agree on that.

Tullzinski · Apr 14, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Proff

Suka means bitch in Ukrainian, Russian, Polish and I'm sure many other Slavic languages, the person is not harassing the guild or inflicting unnecessary harm onto the guild. It is not a false report nor is it a form of abuse, if the reporting system is based on rules and guidelines, and the offense is clear I don't see how it matters how the player felt about the guild.

If it's an offensive name, ban them or force them to change the name simple as that. I'm sure anet had their reasons for banning the guild, and I'm sure this os just the OP's simple cry for attention.

QQless....

If you read this thread, he submitted the ticket to get them banned and then posted publicly about it. While I agree with you that it is not a FALSE report it WAS submitted strictly to inflict harm to the guild.

If you cannot see it matters how the player felt about the guild I will try to spell it out for you:
1. Player applies to and is rejected from guild
2. Player angry about rejection
3. Player submits ticket to get guild banned
4. Player posts publically stating "Yes i jizzed in my pants" at the result of getting guild banned.

I hope that clears it up for you. Once IT posted publically about the result of the ticket and made his true intention known he told everyone he/she broke the code of conduct. Stupid move from a stupid person. An honest person truly concerned about cleaning up the GW community and truly offended by the work suka would not post "Yes i jizzed in my pants."

And your cry for attention remark is a joke. OP has legitimate point about the issue and I applaud them for trying to rectify it.

I hope your buddy gets banned for abuse of the reporting system. It is a plain violation.

QQ less - LOL.

Fril Estelin · Apr 14, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Once IT posted publically about the result of the ticket and made his true intention known he told everyone he/she broke the code of conduct. Stupid move from a stupid person. An honest person truly concerned about cleaning up the GW community and truly offended by the work suka would not post "Yes i jizzed in my pants."

While I share your point of view, I think we're stepping over the legal line here. Meaning that, like in court, the rules have to be interpreted by the judge, which is Anet, not us (they have most information, except control of the QQ forum).

Just to illustrate what I mean (this is purely hypothetical, I have no reason to believe it's true, but it may be): maybe all this is a more sophisticated plan where these guy agreed with this guild that he'd report them, get them banned and then publicly gloat about it, so that this Guru thread would be created, many people would see the problem and we could try to collectively force Anet to do something about their policy. The intention of the guy looked like "harming" but it wasn't.

"Social justice" is a very dangerous tool.

Empress Amarox · Apr 14, 2009, 07:43 PM // 19:43

It seems I was right, it was ban-worthy according to Anet policy:

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The guild tag of shat was reviewed and censored due to its inappropriate nature. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM ApplePython

And that wasn't trying to grief, that's just appropriate.

Achrr The Archer · Apr 14, 2009, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Pretty sure Anet went over the top a little bit. I'm also wondering if there is a little more to the story then we're led to believe as well. PvP guilds can be pretty harsh with critisism, so I'm also wondering if maybe they flamed the hell out of this guy before not letting him in, sending him ranting and finding away to EFF up their day. Not saying this happened or that it would be the right thing to do in either case, just my 2 cents as well.

Proff · Apr 14, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

If you read this thread, he submitted the ticket to get them banned and then posted publicly about it. While I agree with you that it is not a FALSE report it WAS submitted strictly to inflict harm to the guild.

If you cannot see it matters how the player felt about the guild I will try to spell it out for you:
1. Player applies to and is rejected from guild
2. Player angry about rejection
3. Player submits ticket to get guild banned
4. Player posts publically stating "Yes i jizzed in my pants" at the result of getting guild banned.

I hope that clears it up for you. Once IT posted publically about the result of the ticket and made his true intention known he told everyone he/she broke the code of conduct. Stupid move from a stupid person. An honest person truly concerned about cleaning up the GW community and truly offended by the work suka would not post "Yes i jizzed in my pants."

And your cry for attention remark is a joke. OP has legitimate point about the issue and I applaud them for trying to rectify it.

I hope your buddy gets banned for abuse of the reporting system. It is a plain violation.

QQ less - LOL.

I've read through the thread, obviously not all of it, but enough to understand what happened. It's not like the tag was offensive in a language that not many people spoke, or a word that wasn't obviously offensive. ANet doesn't moderate QQ forums, and has no affiliation with them, so what was posted on their is irrelevant. ANet saw it as offensive and if the OP would've have contacted them as I understand he has, I'm sure they would've been unbanned even if he hadn't posted this for all of guru to see.

This is like posting about being hacked, if you want to discus ANet policy start a thread about that instead, but don't call this something it's not.

The person that reported them is not buddy, my friend or even someone I know, it's great how you jump to conclusions just because I don't share your point of view.

And RotteN I agree with you that a ban is a bit excessive and a chance to change your tag or even explain the tag (not quite sure how that would go) would have been sufficient. Anyway, good luck with the guild.

RotteN · Apr 14, 2009, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Achrr The Archer

I'm also wondering if there is a little more to the story then we're led to believe as well. PvP guilds can be pretty harsh with critisism.

A try-out works both ways. If a guild is too unfriendly, the applicant can always leave. Yes, we give direct feedback, and yes, it is usually just limited to the negative feedback, but we do that with everyone. We didn't "pick on him", but when people make mistakes we point it out in a pretty direct way. If he didn't like that, he could've said so. Someone i used to play with once asked me to also give some positive feedback once and a while, and i did, because i knew she'd listen to both, instead of ignoring everything I said. You cannot expect someone to do that with everyone though.

Everyone in our guild is called terrible at least once a day (because everyone makes mistakes once and a while). We never hold that against anyone, we just expect people to learn from their mistakes. If you don't do that, you're out.

Gforce · Apr 14, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Achrr The Archer

Pretty sure Anet went over the top a little bit. I'm also wondering if there is a little more to the story then we're led to believe as well. PvP guilds can be pretty harsh with critisism, so I'm also wondering if maybe they flamed the hell out of this guy before not letting him in, sending him ranting and finding away to EFF up their day. Not saying this happened or that it would be the right thing to do in either case, just my 2 cents as well.

As RotteN pointed out, this is not the case. I'd like to add that if this was the case, the guy we're talking about would probably have defended his situation instead of just making some post to gloat. I'd also like to add that he posted in this thread (assuming we did not know he reported us, hehe), but he has chickened out and deleted his post.

DarkNecrid · Apr 14, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

It seems I was right, it was ban-worthy according to Anet policy:

And that wasn't trying to grief, that's just appropriate.

Did they actually "censor" the tag like with SuKa (which is still on the ladder) or is my browser legit and they aren't on the ladder anymore? I can't find Seppo Hovi Action Team anywhere.

EDIT:
Apparently you need to GvG once to get back onto the ladder, although I hope they didn't get hard banned (can't invite people, etc) and it was just an actual censor.

kedde · Apr 14, 2009, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by darknecrid

i hope they didn't get hard banned (can't invite people, etc) and it was just an actual censor.

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